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misty
#1 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 5:46:28 PM Quote
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Hi,
Have just had an interview at work, re why I do not undertake MOVA(Moving of vunerable adults), which includes control and restraint. My job role was changed after the realisation of arthritis, but they are now looking at reasons why people are not doing this, me being one of those people. My job was changed to accomodate my capabilities, both with regards to hours and physical limitations, just over two years ago. Some of the questions asked were e.g., what would I find difficult if I was put back in my previous role? Where do I see my future? How would I know if things were getting bad again? I found the questions difficult to answer, as this is not a stable disease, and although I continue into my third year of maximum triple drug therapy, and the inflammatory markers are good, I continue to have aches and pains to variable degrees on a daily basis, and awaiting splints for thumb joints at present. I don't always know if I've over stretched myself until the next day, when I can be laid out for most of that day. With this in mind, how would others answer these questions? Will have to attend another occupational health appointment, and do worry if my job is under threat, especially in this climate at the moment.
Thanks for reading, and would really appreciate your take and answers to these questions.
Candy
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Naomi1
#2 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 8:14:41 PM Quote
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Dear Candy
I also work with vulnerable adults (learning disability) but I'm glad to say that restraint is not part of my role as we rarely encounter physically challenging behaviour. My bosses have accommodated my disability by giving me less physical tasks. For example I have stopped running a garden craft group and now run a speaking up group instead. I run a women's group too which is no problem as it's mainly about verbal and communications skill designed to increase confidence. I also support a young man with complex needs on another day but the support he needs is mainly verbal, emotional and supervisory rather than physical. I'm not sure if my bosses will want me to go back to a more physical role in the longer term but if they do then I would seriously have to consider redeployment to a more administrative role in a different setting. I am lucky that I work within the NHS and there is quite a bit of scope for redeployment which would be their preferred option if I was unable to continue in my role. I have to keep an open mind on this. I am currently down from working full time to doing just 3 days per week which is enough at the moment. My full time contract is held open until July but I'm not sure I will be able to manage full time again. I count myself very lucky that my needs have been accommodated so well (so far).
Let us know how the issues with the training progress. I would also be interested to know how large your organisation is and whether it is a public or private organisation. Sorry I can't be of more help. Good luck. Naomi X
misty
#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:37:03 PM Quote
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Hi Naomi,
Many thanks for your reply. As regards to MOVA, it is to go on a daily response rota, should they need to call a team to deal with a situation within the hospital. I work for a small private mental health hospital, and my change of role was made at ward level, with my manager and there manager, to accomodate my physical condition. There is no record at HR of this and therefore remain under my previous job role title. This has left me feeling very vulnerable, and the start of my problems were from an injury to my neck received at work, after pushing a wheelchair up a hill. My worries are, can they just put me back into my previous role, with the risk that my health could deteriorate through the physical demands of my job? I understand that they have to make reasonable adjustments, which they did, but can they just take this away? It may be that they don't even have this in mind, but being on the MOVA response rota would not be conducive to my present role. I seem to be faced with more questions than answers at the moment.
Once again, thank you.
Candy
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Naomi1
#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:38:20 PM Quote
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Dear Candy

Like I said to Louise on a similar work related matter I think professional advice on these sorts of matters is essential to ensure that you know your rights and they are upheld. I really would recommend using an expert from a trade union. Work place law can be very complex and you need someone who knows their stuff. My union has been absolutely brilliant!

I wonder if Rich (from the CAB) can offer any wisdom here.

By the way I really sympathise with you for having to tackle work issues as well as RA.

Best wishes from Naomi and please keep us posted.

misty
#5 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 7:36:04 AM Quote
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Hi Naomi,
Yes I think I will contact my union, the RCN, followed this from the start of my neck injury, and put the information on file, when things seemed to be sorted. Will have to keep fingers crossed that this isn't the start of battling to keep my job!
Many thanks
Candy
jenni_b
#6 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 10:14:05 AM Quote
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Hello

I have a 14 yr old daughter who is a vulnerable young person with Autism and she lives in a therapeutic community. She is a lovely young lady in many respects and has many shining moments- even managing some eye contact with someone last week- which although doesnt read as something incredible for Gems it is.

Anyway.

Sometimes because of the nature of her difficulty restraint is needed but not all the personel at the TC are doing this and some of them have a de-escalate things

they use INPP a lot and Holly van Gulden along with Bryan Post (the post institute stuff is incredible- went to his Adoption Uk Conference this year- amazing bloke- worth looking up his stuff on you tube- especially the oxytocin webinars and the BA Baracus stuff)

the de-escalation stuff is mostly talking calmly and slowly and open and settled gestures.
I can do this from my wheel chair.

I wonder if you could put this into the "forward planning" aspect?

Jenni xx
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misty
#7 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 7:39:28 PM Quote
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Hi Jenni,
Thanks for your reply. Yes we do de-escalation as part of the MOVA course and breakaway. I continue to do breakaway, but that is just a way to keep yourself safe really. As part of the MOVA response team, they would be wanting me to do the actual holds. It is very rare that the team is called, but don't feel that I could do this without injury to my joints. I expected more of an understanding from them, especially as the job I am doing sees me out of the hospital a lot, and therefore would not be available for the rota. Well I will probably have to wait and see what the outcome of the interview I attended is, but I am going to get back in touch with my union. Will also have a look on utube at the information you have given me.
Many thanks Jenni.
Candy
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